>> BRAUDE: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON:" WHILE THAT TSUNAMI-LIKE RED WAVE NEVER MATERIALIZED, REPUBLICANS ARE STILL FAVORED TO TAKE THE HOUSE.

AND IN A CLASSIC "DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN" MOMENT, A RUNOFF IN GEORGIA WILL LIKELY DECIDE SENATE CONTROL.

BACK HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS, NO SUCH DRAMA.

A CLEAN SWEEP FOR MOSTLY DEMOCRATIC WOMEN IN STATE-WIDE RACES.

"BOSTON GLOBE" COLUMNIST JOAN VENNOCHI AND U-MASS POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR TATISHE NTETA JOIN ME ON ALL THAT.

THEN, TWO OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE EMMY AWARD-WINNING "FRONTLINE" INSTALLATION HERE IN BOSTON, WHICH OFFERS AN INTERACTIVE LOOK AT 150 UNSOLVED CIVIL-RIGHTS ERA MURDERS.

♪♪ >> BRAUDE: THE RED WAVE THAT WASN'T.

ALTHOUGH SOME RACES ARE STILL TOO CLOSE TO CALL, IT APPEARS THE MIDTERM RESULTS HAVEN'T EXACTLY BEEN THE SWEEP THAT SO MANY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE HAD EXPECTED.

IN ONE OF THE BIG THREE STATES TO WATCH, PENNSYLVANIA VOTED DEMOCRAT JOHN FETTERMAN INTO THE U.S. SENATE, FLIPPING A REPUBLICAN SEAT AND DENYING TRUMP-BACKED TV DOCTOR MEHMET OZ THE JOB.

HE WAS ONE OF SEVERAL MAGA REPUBLICANS WHO LOST THEIR RACES.

AT THE TIME OF THIS TAPING, ARIZONA AND NEVADA'S SENATE RACES REMAIN TOO CLOSE TO CALL.

AND, ONCE AGAIN, GEORGIA'S WILL GO TO THAT RUNOFF IN DECEMBER.

ALL OF WHICH ARE LIKELY DECIDE THE SENATE BALANCE OF POWER.

HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS, THERE WAS A WAVE, THE BLUE KIND, AND A HISTORIC ONE AT THAT.

WITH ANDREA CAMPBELL OFFICIALLY THE FIRST WOMAN OF COLOR TO WIN A STATEWIDE CONTEST, SHE'LL BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND CURRENT ATTORNEY GENERAL MAURA HEALEY IS NOT ONLY THE FIRST-EVER WOMAN ELECTED GOVERNOR IN MASSACHUSETTS, BUT THE FIRST OPENLY GAY WOMAN TO BE ELECTED GOVERNOR IN THE NATION.

>> I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO EVERY LITTLE GIRL AND EVERY YOUNG L.G.B.T.Q.

PERSON OUT THERE, CHEERING.

I HOPE, I HOPE TONIGHT SHOWS YOU THAT YOU CAN BE WHATEVER, WHOEVER, YOU WANT TO BE.

(CHEERING) >> BRAUDE: I'M JOINED BY "BOSTON GLOBE" COLUMNIST JOAN VENNOCHI, AND TATISHE NTETA, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE AT UMASS AMHERST.

>> Braude: GOODS TO SEE YOU BOTH.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> WITH ALL OF THE HISTORY-MAKING IN MASSACHUSETTS LAST NIGHT, WILL THEY TRANSLATE INTO A DIFFERENT KIND OF GOVERNING OR JUST DIFFERENT PEOPLE FILLING THE CHAIRS?

>> I THINK THAT IS THE CENTRAL QUESTION GOING FORWARD.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, MAYBE IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, IN WHICH, OF COURSE, WE HAVE A FEMALE GOVERNOR, BUT YOU JUST LOOK DOWN AT ALL OF THESE STATEWIDE OFFICES.

YOU HAVE AN AUDITOR WHO IS A WOMAN.

YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT IS A WOMANMENT WOMAN.

A TREASURER THAT IS A WOMAN.

SO THEY -- THIS IS WHY DIVERSITY IS IMPORTANT.

IT BRINGS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, AND IT LEADS INDIVIDUALS TO ASK DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND BRINGS EVIDENCE TO BEAR TO SOLVE THE PRESSING PROBLEMS OF THE STATE.

I THINK WE BOTH SEE SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE LEADERSHIP AND THE FOCUS ON ISSUES AS A RESULT OF A MORE DIVERSE SET OF NOT CANDIDATES ANYMORE BUT LEADERS IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

>> Braude: JOAN, I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY YOU WROTE THAT MAURA HEALEY SHOULD THANK CHARLIE BAKER FOR NOT RUNNING?

IS SHE GOING TO GOVERN LIKE CHARLIE BAKER, IN YOUR ESTIMATION?

>> THAT IS THE BIG QUESTION.

SHE IS KIND OF A MYSTERY AS A GOVERNOR TO BE.

I KNOW SHE WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.

BUT SHE RAN A CAMPAIGN THAT I THINK WAS VERY CAUTIOUS, THAT DID NOT REVEAL A LOT BO ABOUT WHO SHE REALLY IS AND WHAT SHE REALLY STANDS FOR AND WHAT HER PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO BE.

AND SHE REALLY DID EMBRACE CHARLIE BAKER, AND WE'LL SEE IF THAT EMBRACE CONTINUE WHEN HE IS NO LONGER IN THE OFFICE AND SHE IS.

>> Braude: IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO D.C., STARTING WITH YOU, JOAN, BIDEN HAS CALLED IT, AT LEAST LAST NIGHT, A VINDICATION THAT THE MARGIN WAS SMALLER.

THE MARGIN IN THE HOUSE.

DO MARGINS REALLY MATTER?

IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN SPEAKER AND REPUBLICAN CHAIRS OF COMMITTEES WITH A ONE VOTE MARGIN, YOU HAVE REPUBLICAN CHAIRS AND A SPEAKER WITH A 40-VOTE MARGIN.

A MAJORITY IS A MAJORITY.

AM I MINIMIZING THE IMPACT OF THE NARROWNESS OF THE VICTORY FOR THE REPUBLICANS?

>> WELL, IT IS KIND OF LIKE IN SPORTS, RIGHT?

IF YOU LOSE BY ONE POINT OR 20 POINTS, IT IS STILL A LOSS.

HOWEVER, I THINK POLITICS IS ALSO AN EXPECTATIONS GAME.

AND WE WENT INTO YESTERDAY REALLY THINKING -- I MEAN, I WAS SORT OF FOLLOWING THE POLLS AND THE PUNDITS -- >> Braude: SO WAS I.

>> AND EVERYBODY SEEMED TO THINK IT WAS A COMPLETE BLOOD BATH.

THE FACT THAT IT ISN'T DOES SOMEWHAT CHANGE THE DYNAMIC AND GIVES JOE BIDEN SOMETHING TO CROW ABOUT, SO TO SPEAK.

HOW IT TRANSLATES TO ACTUALLY GOVERNING, THE NOT MUCH HOPE FROM THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THINGS.

>> Braude: THE ONLY ARGUMENT I'VE HEARD ABOUT HOW THE MARGINS MATTER IS LUNATICS LIKE MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE -- THE CRAZIES LIKE THAT HAVE MORE POWER OVER THE SPEAKER IN THEIR OWN PARTY, IF THERE IS A NARROW MARGIN, AS OPPOSED TO A BROAD ONE.

OTHER THAN THAT, POTENTIALLY, DOES IT MATTER WHAT THE MARGIN IS FOR THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE, ASSUMING THEY WIN THE MAJORITY, WHICH THEY APPEAR TO BE ON THEIR WAY TO?

>> I AGREE THAT A MAJORITY IS A MAJORITY.

YOU ALWAYS WANT A LARGER MAJORITY, SUCH THAT YOU CAN ENSURE THAT YOU'RE OVERARCHING POLICY GOALS ARE PASSED.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU HAVE EACH MEMBER OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR IN PASSING ANYTHING THAT McCARTHY, IF HE BECOMES THE SORT OF SPEAKER, WOULD LIKE TO PASS.

AND SO THIS PUTS THE ONUS ON THE LEADERSHIP QUALITIES OF McCARTHY, AND WHOEVER DECIDES TO BE -- OR WHOEVER THE CAUCUS ELECTS AS WELL TO GET THOSE FOLKS IN ORDER AND IN LINE IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE REPUBLICANS' VISION AND THEIR POLICIES ARE PASSED.

>> CAN I JUST AD ONE THING?

>> Braude: SURE.

>> WHAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING IS HOW THE CONSERVATIVES, THE PUNDITS, HAVE TURNED ON DONALD TRUMP IN THE AFTERMATH OF THIS.

I THINK THAT MIGHT GIVE SOME HOPE FOR WHAT HAPPENS IN WASHINGTON.

>> Braude: I WANT TO GET BACK TO TRUMP, BY THE WAY.

BUT THAT YOU REFERRED TO HIM IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY, IF YOU READ YOUR OWN COLUMNS, HE IS THE DESPICABLE DONALD TRUMP.

IF YOU CAN DO THAT -- CAN WE GET BACK TO TRUMP IN A SECOND.

I WANT TO STAY IN CONGRESS IN JUST A MINUTE.

THE EXIT -- YOU'RE A POLLING KIND OF GUY, AND TWO OF THE AREAS WHERE DEMOCRATS DIDN'T GET GOOD NEWS, THEY LOST VOTERS, PEOPLE OF COLOR, AND WHITE VOTERS WITHOUT A COLLEGE EDUCATION.

ASSUMING THOSE EXIT POLLS ARE RIGHT, WHY?

>> SO WHITE VOTERS WITHOUT A COLLEGE EDUCATION HAVE BEEN MOVING TOWARDS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR DECADES.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS REALLY ANY NEWS TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I THINK THEY'VE HAD A FEW CANDIDATES THAT HAD AFFECTIVELY MOBILIZED WHITE WORKING CLASS VOTERS.

YOU HAD FETTERMAN IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND RYAN IN OHIO, AS A PLAYBOOK TO BRING THOSE INDIVIDUALS BACK TO THE FOLD.

IN TWO YEARS, WE'LL SEEWHAT WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOES.

AFRICAN-AMERICAN, LATINOS, NATIVE AMERICANS, THEY'RE HOMOGENEOUS.

THERE ARE DIVISIONS WITHIN THOSE GROUPS, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DONE AN AFFECTIVE JOB IN RECOGNIZING THOSE DIVISIONS, THE DIVISIONS THAT MOBILIZE PORTIONS OF THOSE GROUPS, AND GETTING THEM TO VOTE.

SO IN SOME WAYS, THIS IS A TRIUMPH FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO POTENTIALLY BREAK THE HOLD OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OVER PEOPLE OF COLOR.

AND THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE BENEFICIAL FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR AS WELL, IF THEY ARE SEEN AS GROUPS THAT CAN BE -- THAT CAN BE -- SORRY -- THAT CAN BE MOBILIZED.

>> Braude: THAT'S OKAY.

MEANING THAT YOU DON'T JUST ASK FOR THE VOTE.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DELIVER ON A PROMISE THAT YOU MADE TO GET THAT VOTE.

JOAN, I QUOTED YOU, AND YOUR LINE IN YOUR PIECE WAS "CALL ME AN OPTIMIST, BUT I BELIEVE THE PERPETUALLY DESPICABLE TRUMP HELPED DEMOCRATS SURPASSED THE MID-TERMS."

AND THEY ALSO DELIVERED THE MAJORITY IN THE SENATE TO THE DEMOCRATS TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF GEORGIA, WITH OSOFF AND WARNOCK.

IS IT YOUR PERSPECTIVE HE COULD PLAY THE SAME ROLE WITH WARNOCK IN DECEMBER?

>> IT LOOKS LIKE DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN.

IT SEEMS LIKE HE CAN'T HELP HIMSELF.

THE LAST TIME IT WAS RIGHT AFTER 2020, RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, AND HE WENT DOWN TO GEORGIA AND WHINED AND COMPLAINED AND MADE IT ALL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

HE HAS DONE THE SAME THING IN THE RUN UP TO THE MID-TERMS.

I DON'T THINK HE CAN HELP HIMSELF.

I BELIEVE HE WILL TRY TO DO THE SAME THING.

THIS TIME AROUND, THOUGH, IT FEELS LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE ESTABLISHMENT HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF HIM.

AND MAYBE THEY'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, KIDNAP HIM AND KEEP HIM DOWN IN MAR-A-LAGO -- THAT'S NOT BEING KIDNAPPED, BUT SOMEHOW LOCK HIM IN HIS BASEMENT AND KEEP HIM AWAY FROM GEORGIA.

>> Braude: I COULD VOTE FOR THAT.

STAYING ON WHAT MOVED VOTERS, TLETISH, I SAID ABORTION WASN'T NEARLY AS MUCH OF A MOTIVATING FACTOR AFTER THE DOBBS DECISION, AND I THINK I WAS WRONG.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS PROTECTING PEOPLE IN PLACES LIKE CALIFORNIA, MICHIGAN, AND VERMONT, AND THAT IS A STUNNING VOTE AGAINST THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING ABORTION IN A PLACE LIKE KENTUCKY.

THAT WAS A DRIVING FORCE THAT DID KEEP THE MARGIN MUCH NARROWER THAN EXPECTED, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> WITHOUT A DOUBT.

IT MOBILIZED PARTICULARLY GEN "Z" TO COME OUT.

AN POLLS DID NOT PARTICULARLY CAPTURE THE IMPORTANCE OF ABORTION.

BUT, IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT A NUMBER OF THE POLLS, THE HEALTH OF THE DEMOCRACY IS ONE DEMOCRATS AND YOUNG PEOPLE SPOKE TO, ANDCONNECTS IT CONNECTS WITH THE DOBBS DECISION.

A PRETTY GOOD MAJORITY OF THE NATION -- THE SUPREME COURT COURT HAS GONE AGAINST PUBLIC OPINION IN THE DOBBS DECISION.

WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE UNPOPULAR AND THEY'RE CONNECTED TO A PARTICULAR PARTY, THAT PARTY IS GOING TO HAVE SOME ELECTORAL CONSEQUENCES IN THE FIRST ELECTION.

THE QUESTION IS: GOING FORWARD, IS ABORTION GOING TO BE THIS ISSUE THAT MOBILIZES YOUNG PEOPLE AND DOES DAMAGE TO THE REPUBLICANS' CHANCES.

>> Braude: ONE LAST THING, JOAN, YOU'VE BEEN CHOMPING ON THE BID TO GET TO TRUMP, HE DOES SOMETHING ON A RIGHT-WING CABLE NETWORK, WHEN HE IS ASKED ABOUT THE CANDIDATES HE ENDORSED, AND HE GIVES AN ANSWER THAT IS SO TRUMP-LIKE, IT IS PAINFUL.

HERE IS DONALD TRUMP.

>> I THINK IF THEY WIN, I SHOULD GET ALL OF THE CREDIT.

IF I LOSE, I SHOULD NOT BE BLAMED AT ALL.

WHEN THEY DO WELL, I WON'T BE GIVEN ANY CREDIT.

IF THEY DO BADLY, THEY'LL BLAME EVERYTHING ON ME.

>> Braude: THERE WAS NO HUMOR ON THAT IF YOU WERE WATCHING HIS FACE.

IS HE A DIMINISHED CHARACTER COMPARED TO WHAT HE WAS YESTERDAY MORNING?

>> I GUESS I SHOULDN'T PRETEND TO BE AN EXPERT ON WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE THINK, BUT I THINK HE IS.

IF YOU READ THE COMMENTARY, AND ALL OF THE ATTENTION IS ON RON DeSANTIS, THE GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA, WHO IS SEEN AS THE NEXT SHINY NEW OBJECT.

THE FRONT PAGE OF "THE NEW YORK POST" HAS A PICTURE OF HIM AND HIS WIFE AND HIS LITTLE KIDS AS THE FUTURE OF THE PARTY.

I THINK TRUMP IS BECOMING YESTERDAY'S NEWS.

I HOPE THAT IS TRUE.

>> Braude: IS SHE JUST BEING AN OPTIMIST, OR IS THAT THE REALITY POTENTIALLY COMING OUT OF YESTERDAY?

>> THE PROOF IS IN SOME WAYS AND THE PUDDING.

HE WON IN 2016, IN A VERY SHOCKING FASHION.

BUT REPUBLICANS DID NOT DO WELL IN 2018.

THEY LOST CONTROL OF THE HOUSE.

IN 2020, THEY LOST CONTROL OF THE PRESIDENCY, AS WELL AS THE SENATE.

AND IN 2022, A NUMBER OF THE CANDIDATES THAT HE SUPPORTED, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY COULD LEAD TO THE LOSS OF THE U.S. SENATE FOR THE REPUBLICANS, AND LESS THAN EXPECTED GAINS IN THE HOUSE.

AND SO I THINK THE ARGUMENT THAT THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO MAKE IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY A WINNER?

IS SOMEONE HITCHING OUR WAGON TO THIS PARTICULAR CANDIDATE, THIS PARTICULAR FORMER PRESIDENT, MIGHT ACTUALLY DO MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD ELECTRIC ELECTTORALLY.

HE MOBILIZES HIS BASE AND A LARGE AND EMOTIONAL OPPOSITION.

AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR REPUBLICANS.

HIGH TURN OUT ELECTIONS HAVE HISTORICALLY NOT BEEN BENEFICIAL FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OR AND THE CANDEX.

CANDIDATES.

>> Braude: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANKS.

>> BRAUDE: JOAN VENNOCHI AND TATISHE NTETA, THANKS.

NEXT UP, MURDERED MORE THAN A HALF-CENTURY AGO, SOLELY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, THEY WERE ALMOST LOST TO HISTORY.

BUT NOW, IN AN EXHIBIT HERE IN BOSTON, YOU CAN READ THEIR NAMES, SEE THEIR FACES, AND HEAR THE STORIES THAT WERE UNEARTHED AS A PART OF A 15-YEAR INVESTIGATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THROUGH THE EMMETT TILL UNSOLVED CIVIL RIGHTS CRIME ACT, WHICH WAS CHAMPIONED BY THE LATE CIVIL RIGHTS ICON, CONGRESSMAN JOHN LEWIS: >> MR. SPEAKER, THE TIME HAS COME.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS, MAYBE EVEN THOUSANDS OF THESE CRIMES THAT WERE NEVER BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.

THERE ARE MURDERERS WHO HAVE WALKED FREE FOR DECADES WHILE THE FAMILIES OF VICTIMS CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE.

>> BRAUDE: LAST YEAR, "FRONTLINE" AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PROJECT AT NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY LAUNCHED A MULTI-PLATFORM INVESTIGATIVE REPORT FEATURING THESE STORIES.

IT'S CALLED "UN(RE)SOLVED," AND IT WENT ON TO WIN AN EMMY FOR INTERACTIVE MEDIA INNOVATION.

NOW THROUGH THE END OF NEXT WEEK, "UN(RE)SOLVED" IS ON DISPLAY OUTSIDE NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED BY THE PROJECT'S EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: "FRONTLINE" EXECUTIVE PRODUCER AND EDITOR-IN-CHIEF RANEY ARONSON-RATH, AND DAWN PORTER, A PROLIFIC AND AWARD-WINNING DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER, WHOSE PAST WORKS INCLUDE "JOHN LEWIS: GOOD TROUBLE," AND "RISE AGAIN: TULSA AND THE RED SUMMER."

AND YOU WERE LAST HERE WITH PETE SOUZA, OBAMA'S OFFICIAL PHOTOGRAPHER, TO DISCUSS YOUR FILM ABOUT HIM, "THE WAY I SEE IT."

>> Braude: DAWN, RANEY, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS, AND GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

>> THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> SO GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> Braude: THANK YOU.

DAWN, STARTING WITH YOU, THIS IS NOT JUST A FACTUAL RETELLING OF A HORRIBLE CRIME THAT WAS UNRESOLVED, BUT AN EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE UNFORGOTTEN.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT PEOPLE SEE AT THE INSTALLATION?

>> YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN RANEY CAME TO ME WITH THE PROJECT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS INTERNALLY DEVELOPED ORIGINALLY AT FRONTLINE, THE IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, TIMES WE CAN GET IMMUNE TO STORIES OF TRAGEDY.

AND SHE CAME WITH A REALLY SIMPLE PREMISE, WHICH IS: THESE ARE PEOPLE.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH FAMILY AND STORIES, AND THEY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS BEING VICTIMS OF A HORRIFIC CRIME.

AND WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THEIR LIVES AND NOT JUST THEIR DEATHS.

AND THAT REALLY SPOKE TO ME.

I THINK WHEN YOU DO, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT I DO, THAT FOCUSES ON CIVIL RIGHTS, BUT WHAT I REALLY TRY TO DO IS FOCUS ON HUMANITY, AND THIS PROJECT REALLY CENTERS THE HUMANITY OF THE VICTIMS OF THESE CRIMES.

>> Braude: DOES IT EVER.

YOU KNOW, RANEY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS WHEN YOU TALK TO SURVIVORS IN THESE SITUATIONS, THEY'D BE DYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY THEY LOVE.

BUT THE FLIPSIDE IS NOT EVERYBODY IS MEME TILL, WHO IS WILLING TO RELIVE A NIGHTMARE.

SO WHAT WAS IT LIKE REACHING OUT TO SURVIVORS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROJECT?

>> I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT DAWN AND I TALKED ABOUT IS HOW TO DO THAT CAREFULLY, AND WITH A CONSCIOUSNESS THAT THESE ARE CRIMES THAT HAPPENED, IN SOME CASES DECADES AGO, AND HOW WOULD WE APPROACH THE FAMILIES WITH CARE AND DECENCY AND RESPECT?

AND WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS APPROACH STORY CORE.

STORY CORE HAS AN INCREDIBLE TRADITION OF CAPTURING PEOPLE'S STORIES THAT ARE MORE OF AN ORAL HISTORY AND A JOURNALISM ROLE.

AND THE WAY THAT WE WORKED WITH THEM WAS REALLY WONDERFUL.

THEY REALLY HELPED US UNDERSTAND HOW DO YOU TREAT PEOPLE WITH RESPECT AS YOUR GATHERING STORIES?

AND WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH STORY CORE TO GATHER MOST OF THE STORIES YOU HERE IN THE INSTALLATION.

AND THE INTERACTIVE WAS IN COLLABORATION WITH STORY CORE.

OUR PRODUCERS, ON OUR END, THEY HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE HOPING TO DO, AND WE ARE SAYING TO THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS GENERATIONAL TRAUMA, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD REOPEN THESE CASES.

THIS IS A WAY, ALSO, TO REOPEN THAT CONVERSATION.

>> Braude: DAWN, COULD YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE.

QUILTS ARE A THREAD THAT RUNS THROUGH A LOT OF THIS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY?

>> QUILTING HAS A LOT OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, AND TAMARA, WHO IS OUR CREATIVE ARTIST, ESSENTIALLY USED THE MOTIF OF THE QUILT.

QUILT-MAKING IS PART OF A WAY TO TELL A STORY.

IT IS A WAY TO CONNECT YOU WITH HISTORY AND FAMILY.

AND REALLY IMPORTANTLY, IT IS A WAY TO CONNECT YOU WITH PLACE.

SO BY USING THE QUILT MOTIF, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE BEAUTIFUL EXEXQUISITELY WONDERFUL QUILTS, YOU EMPHASIZE THERE ARE LAYERS TO THIS STORY.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE DESIGNERS, THE PROGRAMMERS, THE CREATORS -- YOU CAN SEE THE BEAUTIFUL ARTISTIC -- THERE IS A REVERENCE TO THE PANELS WHEN YOU APPROACH THEM THAT IS FITTING TO THE SUBJECT MATTER.

I DID WANT TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT APPROACHING THE FAMILIES.

>> Braude: SURE.

>> WHICH IS THIS IS NOTHING THAT YOU COULD EVER FORGET.

AND PART OF THE TRAGEDY OF THE TILL LIST, WHICH IS A LIST THAT WAS CREATED WITH ALL GOOD INTENTIONS, IS THAT THESE FAMILIES, THEIR HOPES WERE RERIVED THAT THESE MURDERS WOULD BE INVESTIGATED.

SO THERE IS THIS BROKEN PROMISE.

AND PART OF WHAT I THINK IS SO BRILLIANT ABOUT WHAT RANEY AND THE ENTIRE TEAM HAVE DONE IS SAY WE CAN'T NECESSARILY GIVE YOU FULL JUSTICE, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST GIVE DIGNITY TO EACH PERSON ON THAT UNSOLVED MURDERS LIST.

ALL OF THOSE 150 PLUS PEOPLE.

>> Braude: RANEY, CAN YOU SPEND A MINUTE AND GIVE DIGNITY TO ONE OF THE PEOPLE YOU DID, ROBERTA JONES -- >> THAT'S HOW SHE GOT ME, WITH ALBERTA.

>> I LEARNED ABOUT ALBERTA JONES FROM MY TEAM AT FRONTLINE, CARLA AND MICHELE SHARED THIS STORY WITH ME.

THE MOMENT I HEARD ABOUT ALBERTA, I COULDN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT HER.

SHE IS AN INCREDIBLE WOMAN.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, SHE WAS THE FIRST LOUISVILLE WOMAN ATTORNEY.

THAT IS A BIG DEAL IN AND OF ITSELF.

SHE IS THE FIRST WOMAN WHO IS BLACK WHO PASSED THE KENTUCKY BAR.

SHE IS AN INCREDIBLE LAWYER.

AND SHE WAS ONE OF THESE REALLY MOTIVATED PEOPLE TO HELP PEOPLE VOTE.

SHE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY, HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND VOTER RESTRICTIONS.

THIS IS WAY AHEAD OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY.

SHE WAS THERE ON THE FRONTLINES.

WHEN SHE WAS IN HER MID-30s, ONE NIGHT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET A FRIEND AND SHE DIDN'T.

SHE WAS FOUND THE NEXT DAY.

AND IT HAS BEEN AN UNSOLVED MURDER SINCE.

SHE IS ON THIS LIST.

AND BECAUSE HER STORY FELT SO IMPORTANT TO ME, I CALLED DAWN AND ASKED HER IF SHE WOULD EXECUTIVE PRODUCE THIS WITH ME BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN DAWN FOR A LONG TIME, AND SHE WOULD BE THE RIGHT PARTNER WITH ME.

AND I SAID, WHY DO WE NOT KNOW ALBERTA JONES' NAME IN AMERICA?

WHY DO WE NOT KNOW HER NAME?

THAT IS PART OF THIS SAYING HER LIFE MATTERS.

SHE WAS A LEADER, AN AMAZING, CHARISMATIC, WONDERFUL PERSON, AND WE HAVE SO MUCH DETAIL ABOUT HER LIFE IN THIS EXHIBIT.

>> Braude: DAWN, WHY DO YOU THINK -- WAS THAT THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR YOU?

, DO YOUDO YOU THINK?

>> IT WAS SO EASY TO RELATE TO THIS YOUNG WOMAN LAWYER TRYING TO HELP OTHER WOMEN, IN PARTICULAR, AS WELL AS TO WORK ON VOTING RIGHTS.

SHE WAS HELPING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ALLEGED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT AT 34, WITH HER ENTIRE LIFE AHEAD OF HER, THIS YOUNG, BLACK LAWYER AND THE 1950s DISAPPEARED.

THAT SHE COULD BE DISAPPEARED.

AND THAT JUST FELT INTOLERABLE.

AND I THINK, RANEY, WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME, AND SHE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD GET ME AND THAT I COULD NOT SIT BY WHILE SHE WAS DISAPPEARED.

AND I'M SO GLAD I WENT ON THE JOURNEY -- THIS CREATIVE JOURNEY WITH THIS REMARKABLE TEAM.

>> Braude: WE TALKED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT TALKING TO THE RELATIVES OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE EXECUTED.

HERE IS A LITTLE BIT IN THE EXHIBIT FROM ALBERTA JONES' SISTER.

>> THE YEARS, YOU GET SO THAT YOU ARE JUST, BUT YOU NEVER FORGET.

LIKE I TELL THEM, THE PAIN NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GOES AWAY.

ALBERTA WENT OUT OF THE HOUSE A HEALTHY WOMAN AND GOT ABDUCTED AND BEAT TO DEATH, AND THEN THROWN AWAY LIKE SHE WAS A BAG OF TRASH.

AND NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN TRIED FOR IT.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, DAWN, YOU MENTIONED JUSTICE AND HOPES ELEVATED, WHICH OFTEN HAVE BEEN DASHED.

HAS THE LAW, THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE -- HAVE ANY OF THESE CRIMES BEEN SOLVED AS A RESULT?

>> UM...THE CRIME -- WELL, THE LIST REMAINS.

THE CRIMES HAVE NOT BEEN SOLVED.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE THERE IS STILL A POSSIBILITY OF THAT.

AND PART OF OUR WORK AS FILMMAKERS, AS JOURNALISTS, WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUBLICIZE THAT THESE STORIES REMAIN AND THAT OUR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE DEMANDS THAT THERE BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

I WAS WORKING ON A FILM ABOUT JOHN LEWIS AT THE TIME THAT I TARTED WORKING WITH RANEY AND HER TEAM ON THIS PROJECT.

AND MR. LEWIS' WORDS WERE LITERALLY ECHOED IN MY HEAD.

WHICH IS, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT IS UNFAIR, UNJUST, AND NO RIGHT, YOU DO SOMETHING, YOU SAY SOMETHING.

AND I THINK WHAT JOURNALISTS CAN DO IS MAYBE WE CAN'T SOLVE THE CRIMES OR PROSECUTE THE PERPETRATORS, BUT WE CAN SAY SOMETHING, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS EXHIBIT WILL DO.

>> Braude: AND YOU DO IT BEAUTIFULLY AND POWERFULLY WITH ALL OF YOUR COLLEAGUES.

BEFORE YOU GO, RANEY, I MENTIONED THIS IS A MULTI-PLATFORM KIND OF THING, IN DECISION TO THIS INSTALLATION AT 400 HUNTINGTON GL.

AVENUE.

THERE IS A HIGH SCHOOL CURRICULUM, AND THAT REALLY EXCITED ME.

BUT WHAT GOT ME NERVOUS IS I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE SOME STATES -- WE JUST TALKED ABOUT RON DeSANTIS A MINUTE AGO -- WHERE SUCH CURRICULA IS NOT ACCEPTABLE OR ALLOWED.

>> I THINK THAT IS TRUE.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT PBS LEARNING MEDIA HAS A GREAT WAY OF GETTING THIS CURRICULA INTO THE SCHOOLS, AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY FOR THIS HISTORY.

AND WHETHER IT IS BEING TAUGHT IS THE QUESTION.

AND WE CAN'T SAY EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE, BUT THE GREAT NEWS IS WE'RE IN OVER 60% OF THE SCHOOLS.

PBS LEARNING IS AMAZING IN THAT REGARD.

>> Braude: BOTH YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE BRILLIANT AND IMPORTANT WORK.

I REALLY THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU'VE GIVEN ME TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JIM, THANK YOU.

>> THANKS, DAWN.

BYE.

NOW THROUGH NEXT FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 18, YOU CAN CATCH THE "UN(RE)SOLVED" INSTALLATION IN PERSON IN NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY'S CABOT QUAD.

AND, YOU CAN ALWAYS DIVE INTO THE ONLINE EXHIBIT AT FRONTLINE.ORG/UNRESOLVED, OR ON THE "FRONTLINE" "UN(RE)SOLVED" APP.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND PLEASE, DON'T FORGET UKRAINE.

CAPTIONED BY MEDIA ACCESS GROUP AT WGBH ACCESS.WGBH.ORG (UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC) >> WAIT, DID I JUST COMMIT A CRIME?

HEY, FOLKS!

I'M EDGAR B. HERWICK III FROM GBH'S "CURIOSITY DESK," WHERE YOU ASK QUESTIONS AND I FIND ANSWERS.

TODAY'S QUESTION COMES COURTESY OF BETTY DAVIS FROM GLOUCESTER, MASSACHUSETTS, WHO WANTS TO KNOW, IS IT IN FACT A CRIME TO REMOVE THESE LABELS?

NOW, YOU FIND THESE GUYS ON PILLOWS, MATTRESSES, EVEN A LOT OF WINTER COATS, AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT IS INSIDE OF THOSE ITEMS.

NOW TODAY, PILLOWS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE USUALLY STUFFED WITH FEATHERS OR COTTON OR SOME KIND OF SYNTHETIC MATERIAL.

BUT, ACCORDING TO MAGGIE TERRY, BACK IN THE DAY, THEY PUT SOME PRETTY GNARLY STUFF IN THE STUFFING.

>> I MEAN, IT USED TO BE, YEARS AGO, THEY'D THROW ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO INTO THE BEDDING.

NEWSPAPERS, DIRTY RAGS-- >> HORSE HAIR, USED HOSPITAL OR HOTEL MATTRESSES, CORN HUSKS-- >> SWEEPINGS OFF THE FLOOR, PART OF YOUR LUNCHES, DROPPINGS.

I MEAN, ANYTHING.

>> FOR STARTERS, THAT'S DISGUSTING.

AND FURTHERMORE, IT'S DANGEROUS AND UNHEALTHY.

SO TODAY, A LOT OF STATES REQUIRE THESE LABELS THAT TELL YOU WHAT IS INSIDE OF THE ITEM.

AND, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO REMOVE THEM...

SORT OF.

RETAILERS AND MANUFACTURERS CAN BE FINED IF THEY REMOVE THE LABELS, BUT ONCE YOU BUY IT, OR I BUY IT, IF YOU READ CLOSELY, MOST OF THESE END WITH THE LINE, "EXCEPT BY THE CONSUMER."

SO, THERE YOU HAVE IT!

FEEL FREE TO RIP AWAY.

DON'T FORGET TO FOLLOW, AND TELL US WHAT YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT, BECAUSE, HEY, I MIGHT JUST LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU.

I'M EDGAR B. HERWICK III.

STAY CURIOUS OUT THERE.

(UPBEAT MUSIC) CAPTIONED BY MEDIA ACCESS GROUP AT WGBH ACCESS.WGBH.ORG