TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," DONALD TRUMP FOUND LIABLE AND A SEXUAL ABUSE AND DEFAMATION CASE BROUGHT BY WRITER E. JEAN CARROLL.

A GROUP OF MASSACHUSETTS MAYORS HAVE COME TOGETHER TO DIVERSIFY PUBLIC REAL ESTATE PROJECTS.

ONE OF THEM WILL JOIN ME AHEAD.

DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN OPPOSED -- ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT BY MORE THAN A DOZEN WOMEN.

NOW HE IS FINDING -- FINALLY BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ONE OF THEM.

A MANHATTAN JURY FOUND HE DID SEXUALLY ASSAULT E. JEAN CARROLL AFTER LENGTHY LEGAL PROCESS HELD UP BY A SERIES OF CHALLENGES FROM THE PRESIDENT.

SHE FILED A CIVIL SUIT IN 2019 AFTER COMING FORWARD WITH ALLEGATIONS IN HER MEMOIR, CHOOSING TRUMP OF SEXUALLY ASSAULTING AND RAPING HER IN THE MID-1990'’S.

THE JURY FOUND TRUMP LEGALLY LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT AND BATTERY, BUT ARGUED CARROLL DID NOT ADEQUATELY PROVE HER ALLEGATION OF RAPE.

A JURY FOUND TRUMP GUILTY OF DEFAMATION OVER STATEMENTS HE MADE ONLINE.

AFTER THE RULING, CARROLL EXPRESSED RELIEF AND VINDICATION, WRITING, I FILED THIS LAWSUIT TO CLEAR MY NAME AND GET MY LIFE BACK.

TODAY THE WORLD KNOWS THE TRUTH.

TRUMP RESPONDED.

>> WHAT ELSE CAN YOU EXPECT FROM A TRUMP PAINTING JUDGE WHO WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO MAKE SURE THE RESULT OF THIS TRIAL WAS AS NEGATIVE AS IT COULD POSSIBLY BE.

WE WILL BE APPEALING THIS DECISION.

IT IS A DISGRACE.

SARAYA: TRUMP HAS TO PAY CARROLL MORE THAN $5 MILLION IN DAMAGES AS HE RUNS FOR ANOTHER TERM AS PRESIDENT.

BUT HOW MUCH WILL THIS AFFECT HIM REALLY AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR OTHER SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ABUSE?

I AM JOINED NOW BY TINA OPIE FROM HARVARD AND JEN DEADRICK, AUTHOR OF SHE THE PEOPLE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

SO MUCH TO UNPACK.

IT IS THE FIRST TIME A FORMER PRESIDENT IS FOUND LIABLE FOR SEXUAL ABUSE.

AND IT IS A CIVIL CASE.

I WANT TO ASK BOTH OF YOU.

TRUMP'’S ATTORNEY EXPRESSED HAPPINESS THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS VINDICATED OF RAPE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE CHARGE THAT HE WAS FOUND LEGALLY LIABLE FOR.

DO YOU CONSIDER THIS A VICTORY FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS?

JEN: ABSOLUTELY, IT IS.

SHE SAID HERSELF SHE WAS NOT THE PERFECT VICTIM.

AS SHE DIDN'’T SCREAM AND SOMETIMES SHE WAS HAPPY WITH HER LIFE.

WOMEN KNOW WHEN YOU ARE CONFRONTED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU DO NOT ALWAYS SCREAM.

OFTEN YOU FREEZE.

OFTEN IT IS SOMEBODY YOU ADMIRED, SOMEBODY YOU KNEW OR YOU THOUGHT WAS A FRIEND OR MENTOR.

AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO IN THAT SITUATION.

THE EXPECTATION THAT A WOMAN WHO WAS A VICTIM OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD DO ALL THE RIGHT THINGS, SCREAM IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE POLICE, WAS ALWAYS FALSE.

RIGHT THERE, THERE IS A BIG PRECEDENT SET THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO EXPECT THAT GOING FORWARD FOR WOMEN OR MEN WHO HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED.

SARAYA: ARE YOU MAKING ANYTHING UP THE RAPE CHARGE NOT BEING PART OF WHAT HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF?

DR. OPIE: THE DIFFERENTIATION IS PENETRATION.

THE JURY FOUND HIM UNANIMOUSLY TO BE GUILTY OF THAT.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE BECAUSE MY HOPE IS THAT JUSTICE WAS SERVED IN THE SENSE THAT HE WAS FOUND TO BE GUILTY.

I AM GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

HIS ATTORNEY IS GOING TO TRY TO SPIN IT.

HE WAS FOUND GUILTY OF SEXUAL ABUSE.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD WANT ON MY RESUME.

SARAYA: DID YOU MAKE ANYTHING OF THE FACT THAT THE JURY CONTAINED MORE MEN THAN WOMEN?

DID YOU FIND IT ENCOURAGING WITH THE RISE OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT, THE DISCOURSE WAS DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE?

JEN: I THINK IT WAS VERY ENCOURAGING THAT MEN WERE ABLE TO LISTEN TO HER.

INITIALLY WHEN THIS VERSION OF THE ME TO MOVEMENT STARTED, THERE WAS THE ARGUMENT THAT WE NEED A LOT OF CONVICTIONS.

BUT WHAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN WAS THAT MEN NEEDED TO HEAR THE STORIES AND UNDERSTAND.

FOR A LOT OF MEN, IT WAS A SHOCK TO THEM.

NOT ALL MEN HAVE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS BUT ALL WOMEN HAVE EXPERIENCED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

WE WOULD JUST TELL OTHER WOMEN.

AND SUDDENLY MEN WERE HEARING THE STORIES AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WOMEN HAVE GONE THROUGH.

MY MOTHER WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HERE AT WGBH WHILE SHE WAS INTERVIEWING FOR AN INTERNSHIP POSITION.

THE GUY KEPT GRABBING HER BUT.

HER FRIEND SAID, OH, YOU GET USED TO THAT, BECAUSE SHE WORKED WITH THEM.

THAT WAS THE 1960'’S.

WE HAVE PROGRESSED.

THE FACT THAT NOW WE HAVE MEN WHO ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT A SITUATION LIKE E. JEAN CARROLL AND SAY CLEARLY THIS WAS A VIOLATION, SHE DID NOT DESERVE THIS, SHE WAS NOT ASKING FOR IT.

IT IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD.

SARAYA: WAS THAT PERSON PUNISHED?

>> OF COURSE NOT.

IT WAS THE 60'’S.

THAT WAS PART OF THE CULTURE.

SARAYA: HAVE WE MADE SOME PROGRESS PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO MEN HEARING THE STORIES OF WOMEN SURVIVORS?

DR. OPIE: I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE MEN WHO ARE EMPATHETIC INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE FULLY CAPABLE OF A FULL RANGE OF HUMAN EMOTIONS.

I AM MARRIED TO A MAN AND HE VERY MUCH DEMONSTRATES THAT.

I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, ONE OF THE THINGS -- WE WERE ON THE SHOW AND GOT A LOT OF HATE MAIL FOR TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A WIDE ARRAY OF MEN, BUT I DID WANT SOME OF THEM MEANT TO GIVE WOMEN A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE THE #METOO MOVEMENT.

REMEMBER THAT?

JEN: I DO.

DR. OPIE: I GOT A LOT OF HATE MAIL FOR SAY LET'’S JUST GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE THIS.

THERE ARE MEN WHO ARE EMPATHETIC, FULLY DEVELOPED, EMOTIONAL HUMAN BEINGS AND WE NEED TO GIVE MEN CREDIT FOR THAT.

THERE ARE FAR MORE MEN OUT THERE I BELIEVE WHO WERE DISGUSTED BY THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR.

AND I THINK CULTURALLY, NORMATIVELY, WE NEED MORE MEN TO STAND UP AND SAY, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

NOW IN 2023, IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY BEING INTERVIEWED AND THE MAN IS DOING THE INTERVIEW, MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS, I AM HOPING THAT MORE MEN WOULD ACTUALLY STAND UP AND SAY SOMETHING.

A CULTURE OF SEXUAL UP SOME -- ASSAULT WILL ONLY CHANGE IF WE ARE IN SOLIDARITY WITH EACH OTHER.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOMEN CAN RESOLVE ON THEIR OWN.

THIS IS A SOCIETAL ISSUE THAT WILL REQUIRE ALL SOCIETAL MEMBERS TO RESOLVE IT.

JEN: I AGREE.

WITHOUT MEN, IT IS JUST US ALL THE TIME IN DEFENSE OF WOMEN.

WE NEED THEM TO BE STEPPING UP.

THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF MEN DOING THINGS WITH THE EXCUSE THAT THEY WERE PROTECTING WOMEN SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO NOT SLIDE INTO THAT.

THE WORST CASE OF BAD IS THE KU KLUX KLAN WHO SAID THEY WERE PROTECTING WHITE WOMEN FROM BLACK MEN.

WE DO WANT MEN TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT IT IS LIKE TO EXPERIENCE THINGS FOR US.

SARAYA: TO YOUR EARLIER POINT, MEN EXPERIENCE SEXUAL ASSAULT ALSO.

JEN: YES.

SARAYA: THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL LEGAL CASES THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS FACING AS HE SEEKS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR THE 2024 ELECTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT IMPACT HIS POLITICAL CAREER?

DR. OPIE: I WAS SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICAN LEADERS IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW WHO HAVE SAID THIS MAKES THEM WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM TWICE AS MUCH.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, I BELIEVE MET ROMNEY AND OTHERS, WHO HAVE SAID THIS RENDERS HIM COMPLETELY UNFIT TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

MY HOPE IS THAT THERE WILL BE SOME REPUBLICANS WHO STAND UP AND SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

THE MAN HAS BEEN IMPEACHED TWICE.

HE HAS BEEN INDICTED.

HE HAS NOW BEEN CONVICTED OF SEXUAL.

THERE IS SO MUCH DRAMA ASSOCIATED WITH HIM.

LET'’S JUST NIP THIS IN THE BUD AND PICK SOMEBODY ELSE.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN.

I DO NOT KNOW IF HE HAS SOMETHING ON PEOPLE AND HE IS ABLE TO HOLD THINGS OVER THEIR HEAD.

I DO NOT GET WHAT THE CULT OF PERSONALITY IS.

I WOULD HAVE CUT BAKED A LONG TIME AGO.

I AM HOPING THIS WILL BE THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN BUT I AM NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT GIVEN WHAT I HAVE HEARD.

SARAYA: WE HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT ACCUSATIONS AGAINST TRUMP.

DOES THE VERDICT DRAW A LINE THAT MAKES THEM UNTENABLE?

JEN: HE BRAGGED ABOUT DOING EXACTLY THIS ON TAPE.

SHE SEEMS TO BE ABLE -- HE SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO -- HE WAS VOTED IN TO GET RID OF ROE V. WADE, WHICH SHE DID.

TO GET RID OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS, WHICH HE DID.

I THINK IN HIS POLITICAL BASE IS ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM MOST REPUBLICANS.

THEY SAW HIM AS GETTING THINGS DONE BECAUSE HE WAS SHAMELESS.

I THINK THAT IS -- AND I DO THINK THERE ARE PLENTY OF MEN OUT THERE WHO THINK THAT IS WHY I WANT TO GET RICH AND FAMOUS SO I CAN GRAB WOMEN AND NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.

I THINK THAT IS I A LOT OF PEOPLE WISH FOR HONESTLY.

AND SHE SPEAKS TO THAT.

YOU CAN JUST PRETEND THAT HE IS BEING TARGETED.

EVEN THOUGH HE BRAGGED ABOUT IT, BUT NOW SHE PRETENDS -- BUT HIS WHOLE THING IS ABOUT LYING LATELY.

IT IS AN AUTHORITARIAN APPROACH.

YOU LIE AND YOU GET AWAY WITH IT AND PEOPLE ARE NOT SURE WHAT THE TRUTH IS ANYMORE.

THE ONE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS VERDICT IS THAT THE TRUTH MATTERED.

HE ACTUALLY GOT CONVICTED AND HE IS SEEING CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS, WHICH SHE NORMALLY NEVER DOES.

-- HE NORMALLY NEVER DOES.

HE IS FACING CONSEQUENCES NOW.

I THINK HIS FANS -- THEY LOVE THIS ABOUT HIM.

SARAYA: ARE EITHER OF YOU PUT OFF BY THIS BEING A CIVIL CASE AND NOT STREET CRIMINAL ONE?

JEN: IT WAS THE OPTION SHE HAD.

WHAT I LOVE IT IF HE COULD BE LOCKED UP, SURE.

BUT YOU TAKE WHAT YOU CAN GET.

THE WOMAN WHO DID MY HAIR TODAY IS FROM INDIA AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MODI AND HOW HE IS THE TRUMP OF INDIA.

HE LITERALLY LOCKS UP HIS OPPONENTS.

HERE, WE ACTUALLY STILL HAVE THE POWER -- PEOPLE IN POWER ARE ACCOUNTABLE STILL AND THIS SHOWS THAT.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOLD PEOPLE OF POWER ACCOUNTABLE.

SARAYA: DOES E. JEAN CARROLL SEE ANY OF THAT $5 MILLION SHE IS NOW OWED?

DR. OPIE: I DO NOT KNOW.

45 HAS A LONG HISTORY OF BEING TAKEN TO COURT AND TYING PEOPLE UP IN COURT FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

HE HAS A NETWORK OF ATTORNEYS AND FINANCIERS WHO ARE INCREDIBLY ADEPT AT THAT.

SO I DO NOT KNOW, I HOPE SHE DOES.

BUT I AM NOT CERTAIN, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY HE IS VERY ADEPT ABOUT THE CIRCUITOUS LEGAL SYSTEM.

MY HOPE IS THAT SHE GETS TO SPEND EVERY DIME.

SARAYA: THE LAST THING I WANT TO POSE IS THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY TIED THE CASE TO PARTISAN POLITICS.

HE CLAIMED THE CASE AS PART OF THE BIGGEST WITCHHUNT IN HISTORY.

YOU BOTH ARE VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY.

HOW DOES THIS IMPACT YOUR VIEW OF POLITICS RIGHT NOW?

DR. OPIE: IT MAKES ME WANT TO VOTE.

I ALMOST WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER STATE AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS REGISTERED TO VOTE.

THIS ACTIVATES AND ENERGIZES ME BECAUSE IT MAKES ME REALIZE THE GERRYMANDERING THAT HAS HAPPENED -- VOTING IS PRETTY MUCH ONE OF THE ONLY REMAINING TOOLS WE HAVE TO PREVENT AUTHORITARIAN AND FASCIST PEOPLE LIKE 35 FROM GETTING INTO -- 45 FROM GETTING INTO AND REMAINING IN POWER.

THE OTHER THING WAS THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.

I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE.

VOTING IS ESSENTIAL.

THIS HAS ENERGIZED ME.

I HOPE IT ENERGIZES MORE PEOPLE, WHATEVER YOUR POLITICAL BACKGROUND.

WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE.

LESS THAN 50% OF THE POPULACE VOTES IN ANY GIVEN ELECTION.

WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.

I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE COULD JUST SAY THAT PEOPLE JUST AUTOMATICALLY REGISTER TO VOTE, LIKE THEY DO IN SOME COUNTRIES.

I KNOW I PROBABLY JUST OFFENDED MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO VOTE.

SARAYA: A BRIEF, FINAL THOUGHT?

JEN: WE DO SEEM GREATER VOTER TURNOUT HAPPENING.

WE SEE PEOPLE STANDING ON LINE FOR HOURS.

WE DID MANAGE TO PREVENT THE RED WAVE.

REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF SETTING THINGS UP LOCALLY TO MAKE IT HARDER TO GET THINGS DONE NATIONALLY.

UNDOING THAT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME.

IT IS ABOUT VOTING AND IT IS ALSO ABOUT PATIENCE AS WE WORK THROUGH IT AND TRY TO OVERTURN THE STUFF THEY HAVE DONE.

SARAYA: TINA OPIE AND JEN DEADRICK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT, MINORITY AND WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES MAKE UP LESS THAN 1% OF ALL REAL ESTATE ASSETS IN THE NORTHEAST.

A COALITION OF MAYORS FROM BOSTON, CAMBRIDGE, SOMERVILLE, SALEM AND LYNN SIGNED ON TO THE COMMONWEALTH DEVELOPMENT COMPACT.

THE INITIATIVE IS A PILOT PROGRAM FROM THE CIVIC ACTION PROJECT CO-FUNDED BY STEVE CROSBY, THE BOSTON SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTURE, THE EASTERN BANK FOUNDATION AND THE BUILDERS OF COLOR COALITION.

I ENJOYED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BUILDERS OF COLOR COALITION AND LYNN MAYER, JARED NICHOLSON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

CAN ONE OF YOU EXPLAIN TAKING A BEAT FROM THE MASSACHUSETTS PORT AUTHORITY WITH THIS COMPACT?

>> WE ARE TAKING THE LEAD FROM GENERATIONS OF WORK AND DECADES OF WORK THAT LED TO THE MODEL BEING IMPLEMENTED AND CALLS FROM LEADERS IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY OF COLOR CALLING FOR MORE ADVOCACY AND DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY.

STEVE CROSBY TOOK UP THAT CALL AND INITIATED THE COMMONWEALTH DEVELOPMENT ACT AND ENLISTED THE SUPPORT AND HELP OF THE BOSTON SOCIETY OF ARCHITECTS AND MY ORGANIZATION THE BUILDERS OF COLOR COALITION.

SARAYA: MAYOR NICHOLSON, IT SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE QUESTION, BUT I HAVE TO ASK.

HOW IS IT THAT DIVERSITY IS GOING TO STRENGTHEN THE PROJECTS IT PUTS FORWARD?

MAYOR NICHOLSON: I THINK PROJECTS FROM THE CITIES PERSPECTIVE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY SHAPE THE PLACE WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ULTIMATELY ARE THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED, THAT ARE WORKING ON THE PROJECT, THE PEOPLE THAT END UP LIVING IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS, THE NEIGHBORS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES.

WE ARE A DIVERSITY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR POPULATION IS INCLUDED IN THE BENEFITS FROM ALL OF THIS WORK.

DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION EFFORTS ARE IMPORTANT.

SARAYA: HOW ARE YOU LOOKING TO DEFINE DIVERSITY?

COLLEEN: THERE ARE FOUR COMMITMENTS THAT EACH OF THE CITIES ARE SIGNING ON TO.

THROUGH DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION, WE ARE CHARACTERIZING WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF COLOR UNDERREPRESENTED IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY.

THE INTERVENTIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM OWNERSHIP, JOINT VENTURE OPPORTUNITIES, CONTRACTORS WHO WORK ON THE PROJECTS.

WE REALLY WANT TO GET A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND THE MANY INTERVENTIONS AVAILABLE TO DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES.

SARAYA: SOMETIMES WHEN WE TAKE STEPS TOWARD DIVERSITY WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK.

ARE YOU EXPECTING ANY?

MAYOR NICHOLSON: NO, I THINK THAT THE MODEL IS BEING HELD UP AS A STANDARD FOR THE INDUSTRY.

A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE SIGNED ON INTO HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, WE WENT THROUGH A BIG CONVERSATION WHEN ADEPT AND HOUSING STRATEGY FOR THE CITY THAT AT THE TIME WAS CONTROVERSIAL, BUT I THINK WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS AND STATED EXPLICITLY THAT IN AN EQUITY LINES DEVELOPMENT WAS THE GOAL OF THE CITY.

IT WAS SOMETHING CITY COUNCIL SIGNED ON TO.

IT HAS BEEN BROADLY ADOPTED.

SARAYA: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT METRICS AND GOALS.

WHAT WOULD SCORING A DIVERSITY PLAN FROM A DEVELOPER LOOK LIKE?

COLLEEN: WE WILL BE COLLECTING DATA AND INFORMATION FROM VARIOUS SOURCES.

IN TERMS OF WHAT DEVELOPERS WILL BE ASKED TO DISCLOSE, VERY SIMILAR TO OPTIONAL DISCLOSURES, CITIES AND TOWNS ASK DEVELOPERS TO DISCLOSE WHAT ARE THE INTERVENTIONS THEY HAVE IN PLACE.

WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS A PILOT HERE.

AT THE VERY MINIMUM THERE WILL BE NARRATIVE BASED QUESTIONS.

IN TERMS OF PUBLIC LAND, WE ARE ASKING 25% OF THEIR ENTIRE SCORING CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC LAND WILL INCLUDE 25% OF THOSE POINTS GOING TOWARDS ISSUES OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

SARAYA: STAYING WITH WHAT WE MIGHT SEE COMING FROM THE PILOT YEAR, I AM THINKING ABOUT BOSTON'’S JOBS POLICY AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS, BUT WE HAVE ONLY SEEN THE FIRST FINE IN THIS YEAR.

ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT PENALTIES FOR FOLKS THAT DO NOT KNOW -- DO THE VOLUNTARY DISCLOSURES?

COLLEEN: AT THIS TIME, WE ARE NOT LOOKING INTO PENALTIES.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE AND ELEVATE THE WORK THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING.

THAT IS NOT TO SAY IN THE FUTURE THAT CANNOT BE SOMETHING BUT THAT IS ULTIMATELY UP TO THE CITIES AND TOWNS AS THEY SEE FIT.

WE ARE VERY FOCUSED TO ASKING DEVELOPERS TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT THIS INFORMATION.

MAYOR NICHOLSON: I THINK AROUND THE PUBLIC LAND, WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THESE ARE NOT YOUR TYPICAL PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS.

IN THE WAY THAT WE ARE SETTING UP THIS COMPACT, IT IS EMPOWERING COMMUNITIES TO STATE AS PERSONALLY WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN INVITE PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THE RESPIRATIONS AND WE GET TO PICK AMONG THOSE.

IT IS A CHARACTER APPROACH FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

-- CARROT APPROACH FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

SARAYA: IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT COMPANIES DO NOT DEMONSTRATE OPENNESS WILL HAVE A HARDER TIME PITCHING PROJECTS?

MAYOR NICHOLSON: IF YOU MAKE A VOLUNTARY, THE NICE THING ABOUT THE COMPACT IS THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE COMPONENTS.

ASKING CITIES IN THE EARLIER STAGES OF THE PROJECT TO BROADEN THE CRITERIA OF WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FROM THE CITIES PERSPECTIVE.

DEVELOPMENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CREATES GOOD PAYING JOBS AND TAX REVENUE.

BUT THEN THINKING ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT GIVES US THE TOOLS TO PUSH OUR GOALS AROUND INCLUSION DIFFERENT WAYS.

SARAYA: COLLEEN, I WILL LET YOU HAVE THE LAST WORD.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE?

COLLEEN: A COMPREHENSIVE PILOT THAT WE COULD LOOK TO OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS, HOW THIS PILOT HAS IMPACTED POSITIVELY THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY.

SARAYA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT.

I AM SARAYA WINTERSMITH.

GOOD NIGHT.